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right now. >>> the nra steps into the gun debate and house speaker boehner gets tripped up on the fiscal cliff by his own party. today in the aftermath of newtown, the national rifle association offering a same school plan. >> the only think that stops a guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. >> our conversation with nra point man assa hutchinson. senator joe lieberman on the culture of violence. then the gop's civil war. >> not the outcome that i wanted, but that was the will of the house. >> republican versus republican on the fiscal cliff with congressman sooeven up lawsuit ter rhett and mcmulvaney. weighing in all of it is our political panel. "usa today's" washington bury rechief sussan page and ron duffy. i'm candy crowley. nine days after the mass shooting deaths in newtown, the president of the national rifle association joined the gun debate. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. >> in a similar vein, lawmakers in a growing number of states including oklahoma, miss
party giant stages a coupe with his own office. the details on dick armey's hostile takeover. the nra is catching heat from all directions. >> i don't think the nra is listening, i don't think they understand. >> georgetown university law professor, david cole on the growing drumbeat against the nra. >>> six days until the price of milk shoots up to $8 a gallon. why house republicans are take ing america to the dairy cliff. >>> and civil liberty groups take on torture in zero dark thirty. >>> if no deal is reached, the nation will go over the fiscal cliff in a little more than five days and house republicans are doing nothing more than posturing. president obama is flying back to washington tonight from his christmas vacation in hawaii to make one last attempt to get a deal before midnight new year's eve. the senate is returning and will be in session tomorrow for the same purpose. senate majority leader harry reid is trying to determine what kind of bill he can get through the senate with limited republican support. meanwhile, governor neil abercrombie of hawaii tonight announced tha
in the statement by the nra earlier this week. president obama weighed in with a web address on the topic this morning. >> if we're going to succeed it's going to take a sustained effort from mothers and fathers, daughters and sons, law enforcement and responsible gun owners organizing, speaking up, calling their members of congress as many times as it takes, standing up and saying, enough on behalf of all of our kids. >> nbc national investigative correspondent michael isikoff joins me now from the site of the nra press briefing. mike, what do we expect to hear from wayne laperriere? obviously a very sort of brief statement released earlier in the week. any indication what he is going to say and how? >> well, i think we got one indication just a few moments ago when david keen the president of the nra came out and asked everybody assembled to join in that moment of silence for the victims of newtown. i think that is a recognition that the nra realizes that this is a major moment in which the public is engaged on this issue in a way it never has before. the specter of innocent children be
show. >>> from the fiscal cliff to gun control nra executive vice president was on "meet the press" this morning and here is part of what he said. >> i don't understand why you can't just for a minute imagine that when that horrible monster tried to shoot his way into sandy hook school that if a good guy with a gun would have been there he might have been able to stop it. >> nbc news editor is with me in the studio. there were armed guards at columbine. >> we know the nra is going to dig in. nothing is going to change until the other side can show that it can win these kinds of arguments. we saw this with environmental regulations in the 70s. you saw this in the 90s with the assault weapons ban. i think a lot of democrats got spooked after the mid 90s because so many of them lost their seats. the nra has the power where they can say to their members go to that person's town hall, make sure that they are hit with the questions that we want them hit with. until there is a movement the other direction you are not going to see very much change. >> do you think that the nra has as much
in that school, a good guy. >> reporter: as the last of the newtown massacre victims are laid to rest, the nra has taken the position that armed security officers in schools are a major part of its solution. >> i have found the statements by the nra over the last couple days to be really disheartening because the statements seem to not reflect any understanding about the slaughter of children that happened in newtown, connecticut. here is what bothered me. the nra spokespeople have been willing to deal with every possible cause of gun lens except guns. >> reporter: school districts have grappled for years with the question of security, but advocates of more gun laws, the opposite of the nra, offered this. they remind everyone there was an armed security officer at the columbine high school the day of that 1999 massacre, and they say controlling gun violence requires a package of solutions beyond the schoolhouse door. barbara starr, cnn, washington. >> barbara, thank you. the brady campaign to prevent gun violence weighed in on the current debate. they released a statement from a father whose 8
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, take note, sandy hook put a face on unlimited gun rights and an nra run amok. it's time to stop being afraid of the nra. time to stop changing the subject when guns are brought up. you, democratic politicians, can run on common sense gun restrictions, and you can win. for the first time in decades, there is now a political price to be paid for gun extremism, and i have got an idea for your first commercial. did you happen to see wayne lapierre on "meet the press"? that does it for us on "the cycle." karen finney is in the chair for martin bashir and it is all yours. >> thanks, krystal. good afternoon. i'm karen finney in for martin bashir on this thursday, december 27th. the president is back in washington, the senate is working against the clock, and speaker boehner, yeah, he's m.i.a. >> no new negotiations are scheduled. >> congress has five days to strike a deal before the end of the year deadline. >> they're calling it the fiscal cliff. [ speaking foreign language ] >> john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial foo
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, and allow people to have them with extended clips is laughable. i expect members of the nra are going to continue to expel this mischaracterization of what these weapons are for. host: frank is from oklahoma. we want to show the front page of "usa today" this morning. caller: i do not think the laws need to be changed. i have a 380 that i carry as a concealed weapon. it is about the same size as a 9 millimeter. host: so it is a handgun. caller: i carry it as a concealed weapon and i am licensed to do that. i have a home defense weapon that i use, a model 191145 caliber semi-automatic. host: do you carry that into a weapon with you at all times? why? caller: yes. physicallyow and limited as far as my own self defense is concerned. there is a lot of crime in our neighborhood. the helicopter's flight over here all the time chasing criminals. i would like to mention something about the sandy hook incident. i found it ironic that these people were meeting in the school for all this prayer. when prayer's outlawed in school. also, they had the high priest of abortion there giving his appeal
is this report about what is ahead in terms of the gun control fight. we heard from the nra friday. let me read you a few sentences -- that was nearly 20 years ago in 1993. we will hear from that testimony in a couple of minutes. we want to get your calls and what is ahead in gun-control. roy is joining us from north carolina, the independent line, good morning. caller: it could be a bitter fight but i think some drastic action needs to be taken. it should be at least as burdensome for the gun owner as it is for a car owner. registration, insurance, testing, everything -- handguns are a big problem, too. i think it is so bad that the president should do some kind of executive order and put a moratorium on military rifles, at least, because around here in western north carolina, there are gun shops and people waiting for four hours to get to this ar-15. they say they will not take it out of the box, the majority of them. they will either have it as an investment or have it grandfathered in. this is like undetectable poison. 300 million guns that have proliferated the whole country. we have plent
assault weapons. the reverend says he will organize a protest against nra and gun manufacturers in washington next month. meanwhile, public opinion remains mixed. a new "usa today"/gallup poll has, but when it comes to banning assault weapons, 51% are against it, numbers are relatively unchanged from a year ago. reverend al sharpton joins me in studio. great to see you. we have a copy of the paper, as we look at the efforts, what is the strategy to try to curb the gun violence, especially when you team up with commissioner kelly. people may say here's two big city slickers trying to take the guns out of our hands. >> first of all, commissioner kelly and i have agreed. we. so what we wanted to show on christmas day, he came out to the national action network feeds the homeless and seniors and we stood together and said despite or differences, we agree on banning assault weapons, and we agree that there must be gun control, hoping to use that as a model, saying that there must be bipartisan agreement about gun control in washington. if we can get unlikely people to stand together,
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slamming the nra calling the group's leader a gun nut and politicians divided along party lines with the thought of more guns in schools. >> i do not believe that those remarks represent anywhere near a significant portion of america. >> school safety is a complex issue with no simple no single solution but i believe trained, armed security is one key component among many that can provide the first line of difference as well as the last line of defense. >> reporter: the debate over semi-automatic weapons and high capacity magazines has raged since the shooting at sandy hook. a gallup poll found 53% agreed increasing police presence in schools would be very effective. a third said somewhat effective, 12% said not effective and 42% said banning the sale of automatic weapons and nor an third, 36% said it would not be effective. feel free to weigh in on my page at rick levanthol over the debate of gun rights and greater restrictions continues. >> heather: rick, thank you. >> gregg: search for justice in the benghazi, libya terror attacks. a scathing report placing blame squarely for
around money. that really is mind boggling. thank you. up next, the nra's response to gun violence? what else, more guns. the new battle over gun violence with chris matthews. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics. >> welcome back to hardball. the tragic school shooting has put renewed focus not just on the guns, but on school safety itself. >> i call on congress today to act immediately to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every single school in this nation. and to do it now. >> but here's what it looks like when you run the numbers. slate magazine took a look at what a program to put armed guards in every school might cost. there's nearly a hundred thousand public schools and the average police officer makes about $55,000 a year. so a lowball estimate would be about 5.4 billion a year. what can we really do to keep our children safe from guns? good question. joining me now expert, michael nutter of philadelphia and eugene robinson. mayor nutter, thank you so much for joining me. you're on the front line every time there's a homicide in philad
opposition. details ahead. plus, the head of the n.r.a. making the first public statement since the sandy hook elementary school shooting amid protests there. his plea to put armed guards inside schools coming up. >> the united states marine held in mexico for an technique gun set to walk through today. all ahead, unless breaking news changes everything. this is "studio b." first from fox at 3:00, president obama revealing his choice to be the next secretary of state today nominating senator john kerry to that job. many analysts had already called it washington's worst kept secret. if confirmed senator john kerry takes on a key role in the national security team during the second term. senator john kerry would replace the current secretary of state, hillary clinton, who will step down early next year. this afternoon, president obama calling senator kerry an exemplary public servant. >> we turn the page on a decade of war he knows we have to harness american power and ensure they work telling, diplomatic and development, economic and political, military and intelligence, as well as the pow
today. >> thank you, sir. >> nra leaders remain staunchly opposed to tougher gun laws. that's two weeks after the newtown massacre. but one lawmakers thinks that the nra members actually favor new laws. >>> and ex-cia military director and top military man david petraeus now on top of the list of this year's worst scandals. >>> as americans grapple with how to curb gun violence after the newtown massacre, nra leaders remain opposed to tougher laws. but one lawmaker thinks that the stance of the nra leadership is out of step with its members. joining me now is virginia congressman jim moran. briefly, let me ask you first about the fiscal cliff because i have you here. you and your members will get back to work tomorrow. i'm wondering is there going to be a last ditch effort to avoid this and what do you think is going to happen? >> i think the likelihood is that we go over the cliff, martin. and, of course, that's my primary focus because my congressional district would be the hardest hit if beat go over the fiscal cliff. i've got tens of thousands of federal employees and a great deal o
't know how you can shuffle around money. that really is mind boggling. thank you. up next, the nra's response to gun violence? what else, more guns. the new battle over gun violence with chris matthews. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics. [ mother ] you can't leave the table till you finish your vegetables. [ clock ticking ] [ male announcer ] there's a better way... v8 v-fusion. vegetable nutrition they need, fruit taste they love. could've had a v8. or...try kids boxes! i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. >>> i'm melissa rebergir. dragging down wall street like a steel anchor. the nasdaq shed 26. police have charged a 26-year-old woman with buying guns for the ex-con who's acc e accused of luring in and shooting new york firefighters. and a strike that would have crippled business has been overted for now. both sides agree to a
during the 2009 school year. the nra's answer to newtown is to simply arm more teachers. >> i wish to god she had had an m-4 in her office locked up so when she heard gunfire she pulls it out and she didn't have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands but she takes him out, takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids. >> this is the m-4 louie gohmert was just talking about. this is what he wants your child's teacher to carry around. he wants the principal to have this gun handy in the hallways. it's only been 13 days since the massacre at sandy hook elementary school. we've already started arming more teachers just like the nra wanted. >> we can't tolerate this anymore. these tragedies must end. and to end them we must change. >> what kind of change do we want? real change means arming teachers with more resources, not guns. let's turn to route con niff, editor for progressive magazine. will arming teachers make our kids safer really? >> yeah, i mean, you've got to wonder, have we lost our minds? you know, i understand why individual teachers, just like individuals any
. >> and have an armed guard, n.r.a. told last week that that could work? >> i'm not going to pre-judge the recommendations given to me, i'm skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. >> a big no to the n.r.a. >> for good reason, they're over-the-hill, they're a big paper tiger and when wayne lapierre got up there and embarrassed himself with the ridiculous comments he made, people want gun control lel' get it and pass by a big margin. >> i don't think he embarrassed himself. >> hold on, bob, saying that children deserve better and we should protect them in the schools and we spend a lot of money here and other jobs, et cetera. why aren't children important enough to put even one armed guard. >> they want to put guns in to to put guns in. >> and even barbara boxer suggested guards and the president should have said i leave it up to the states and localities to figure out what's best for them. >> isn't it true this america wants something that will work, demonstrably work, is that not the case. >> i think that's the case and also what you see is washington, inc
is already gearing up for a fight. fox news reports that the nra is expected to push back soon. they'll hold a news conference on friday. and republican governors still aren't convinced that guns are the problem. governor jan brewer says quote, i'm not sure additional gun control is something that needs to be addressed. i don't know how we get our arms around it. don't know how to get your arms around it? how about disarming those who shouldn't have weapons? and virginia governor bob mcdonald seems to think there are many solutions to be pursued. but gun control. >> could you imagine ever supporting a ban to limit the sale of assault rifles and clips to private citizens? >> well, i think we ought to look at a number of things -- >> are you hoping? >> i don't think that's the first place you look. because first of all we don't have all the facts. >> we don't have all the facts. but we have the facts that matter. 27 people are dead. and we should do everything we can to prevent it from happening again. joining me now is congresswoman diana degette, democrat from colorado. and former pennsylvan
come "outfront" to talk specifics. plus, arizona's attorney general backs a plan reminiscent of the nra to arm school principles. does more guns in schools begin to add up? and the biggest political fumbles. the best of the worst from our politicians. >>> i'm in for erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, christmas is over. washington get back to work. the countdown is on. the clock is ticking. you've got six days to prevent this country from going over the fiscal cliff and today at least, we didn't see any action. nothing. nothing, nada. now, i'm not trying to be a grinch here. i hope everyone's had a merry, merry christmas. just like the president prescribed. >> drink some eggnog, have some christmas cookies, sing some christmas carols. >> but today's the 26th. you've drunk, you eaten and you've sung. now is the time for action. the latest news out of washington tonight, treasury secretary tim geithner told congress that the country will hit the debt ceiling on december 31st, new year's eve, some two months earlier than expected. but there is still no date yet on when the house of represent
was, one, that the nra's arguments on self-defense, the need for more gun prosecutions are not credible. and second, that he can't do this on his own. if we're going to have serious change on gun policy, we need to have a national movement akin to the national movement to change public opinion on the iraq war. congress should bring the victims of newtown up to capitol hill who would be willing to call for serious changes in gun policy. i think shows like this show have to focus on the fact we have a new toub that occurs in this country every single day. 30 americans on average are killed every day from handgun violence. i think we need massive protests against irresponsible retailers like walmart who sell assault weapons and make them available to anyone -- pretty much anybody that asks. the question is not whether or not we'll have change. the question is whether or not progressives, independents and fair-minded republicans will form a national based movement that will really expose the need for this. one place we might start is asking congress if they believe in the s
will be putting off. >> the nra says it's just not going to work. it didn't work before. it's not going to work now. >> you know, my response is, something has to work. you know, it is not enough for us to say, this is too hard, so we're not going to try. so what i intend to do is i will call all the stakeholders together. i will meet with the republicans. i will meet with democrats. i will talk to anybody. i think there are a vast majority of responsible gun owners out there who recognize that we can't have a situation in which somebody with severe psychological problems is able to get the kind of high-capacity weapons that this individual in newtown obtained. and gunned down our kids. and yes, it's going to be hard. >> should we have an armed guard at every school in the country? that's what the nra believes, they told me last week, that could work. >> i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our
at all. the nra makes it seem like -- they fearmonger toward that idea but i think we need to not be offensive to those who have been killed and will be in the future by gun violence that can be -- and the nra leadership battles against even the most simple common sensical responses to this massive problem. >> and the white house certainly going to push. the president is going to talk about guns in his state of the union address next month. and my piece lays out as he does that, he can call for certain gun safety things. there's a lot that polls well, a lot that could arguably help deal with various problems. but the white house knows based on the polling that the president's going to have to talk about it as part of a balanced approach and cliche again today. and that he's going to have to explain in it a way that it doesn't seem like he's tramibling on the 2nd amendment. >> yeah. i actually agree with that, james. i think go ahead with gun control, go ahead with the things that make sense but in a way that's respectful. kudos for number two on the list, only use the word
. >> we need a rationale gun policy and need to get it out of the hands of the nra boys. >> reporter: in district heights, maryland today, about two dozen men, women, and children gathered outside of the gun shop they say helps contribute to the gun violence in communities. >> my nephew who lived in richmond, virginia, was killed five years ago so, yeah, i know. >> the purpose will come. make no mistake about, that the protests will come. >> reporter: they say guns send too many young people to their their graves and prison. >> we must not rely on physical violence to resolve our human problems. >> reporter: the owner of realco gun said he doesn't give interviews, never has and never will. >> reporter: back here, there is still a long line to get into the gun show and the nra is offering a deal, join up and get one for free. >> and thank you. >>> the victims of a deadly accident in springfield were on the way to a funeral. it happened last night at the mixing bowl where 95 meets the beltway in springfield. police say an 87-year-old pennsylvania man was behind the wheel of a pickup tr
. >> the n.r.a. blasted in the media for call for armed guard in schools, and guess what, his approval rating higher than the president. so why won't they talk about that? we will next. >> a dramatic new video after deadly plane crash, the act moment a huge jet crashes into the highway. >> can you imagine being na driver? >> oh! >> welcome back, the mainstream media mock being the head of the n.r.a., all shoes should have guards, a gallup poll shows 54% of americans have a favorable opinion of the national rifle association. why is the mainstream media so harsh on them? joining us now is a contributor to the daily collar, good morning to you jeff. >> good morning, thanks for having me on. >> i would say so. and it's a little rough on the n.r.a., but if you look at the overall approval rating, they think higher than president obama and higher than the media covering as well. >> dave: maybe the speech from wayne lapierre didn't represent perfectly members of the n.r.a. i know, some weren't happy about maybe the lack of consoling to the victims and maybe some sensible proposal for some sort of
and magazines that hold more than ten rounds of ammunition. why is that more effective than the nra proposal to put armed guards in every school? >> elwith, in the first place, we -- one third of america's public schools does have armed guards. secondly, there were armed guards at columbine. they couldn't stop the shooters. so the question comes what do we do about the growing sophistication of military weapons on the streets of our cities. there aren't good hunting weapons, no hunter in my view worth his or her salt would use an assault weapon to hunt and they are not necessarily good defensive weapons. what we would do is take the earlier bill and strengthen it in many ways is. prevent the gun manufacturers from getting around it as they did, go to a one physical characteristic test. take specific models and ban their manufacture, their sale and their transfer. and take the weapons that are are grandfathered that are in possession now and put them under the federal firearms act so that they would be licensed, there would be background checks done. bite the bulletuy the the of what the inci
in the house have strong nra backing, strong gun districts. i think "the washington post" did a great job. >> the paper you work for. >> excellent. looking back at the history of gun control, that it's not just as simple as people think, to be like, well, everybody thinks it must be one way. well, it's just not the case. >> nothing is that simple, particularly the split on urban and rural on this is fascinating. domenico montanaro, thank you for joining me. while the senators go back and forth, lawmakers in the house are quiet about what comes next. but any deal that comes from harry reid and mitch mcconnell in the senate will ultimately have to make it through the republican-controlled house. now joining me is someone who knows that reality all too well, maryland democratic congressman chris van hollen, the ranking member on the house budget committee. congressman, thank you for taking the time. >> chris, great to be with you. >> absolutely. i want to talk to you first about sort of the mood. kelly o'donnell mentioned that this is a conversation happening between a very small number of p
about it. the gun rights activists and the nra don't stop talking about it. they regain the traction they had momentarily lost. there is still hope for that issue, but the president really needs to move on that in january wile also remembering that the first three priorities are the economy, the economy, and the economy. >> how -- i think part of the sad reality is there will continue to be gun violence between now and the time that any legislation is proposed, but how do we keep the pressure on, and again i think this question of getting something meaningful done because as dana pointed out, we know the nra isn't stopping. they are knocking on doors and making phone calls. how do we make sure something doesn't get watered down in the enand we get something meaningful? >> the key thing is to remember that the president has the bully pulpit and there are 535 people on capitol hill who can do something by sending a bill to the president that he can sign into law, but none of that is going to happen unless the anger that was there in the immediate hours and days of sandy hook, unless th
a legislative vote. for now it looks like the nra and wayne lapierre have not been invited by vice president biden to talk about ways to reduce gun violence. according to the nra's president david keene there's been no contact from the white house to include them in this process. piers morgan has penned an op-ed for those who want to see him deported for his views on gun control saying although i love the country as a second home and one that has treated me incredibly well, i would as a concerned parent first seriously consider deporting myself. and actor charlie sheen is at it again, but this time he has company. on saturday sheen sent out this tweet to the mayor of l.a. who knows how to party. tweeted a picture of sheen and the mayor of l.a. at a rooftop bar in mexico and it was only a matter of time. "fifty shades of grey" is off to college. starting in january students at american university will learn about the "fifty shades" trilogy. that should be interesting. a live look now at capitol hill. the house and senate are both in session. this sunday evening they are taking care of last-mi
and six adults dead. it has been ignite and we heard the nra call for armed guards in schools. we have seen a new york newspaper publish a map with the names of registered hand gun owners. that got the nra fired up. they spoke with carol costello and he said it's unfair and unsafe to name gun owners. >> these are all upstanding citizen who passed tests and have their own firearms and by listening, they do two things. most guns are either bought on the black market or stolen. if you are a criminal looking for a gun, you just have been given a map to where you find some. the paper said you would like the makes of guns that people own. have you in essence a catalog. it also tells you who isn't armed and therefore if you are not seeking a gun, but seeking television sets and the like through burglary, you know where to go. i think it was completely irresponsible and while it is probably not legally actionable, the fact is that this newspaper did this knowingly for the purpose of trying to demonize gun owners because they don't happen to believe in firearms. that's their right, but mistreat
with what the nra said they hope will happen nationwide. if hearing the word posse conjures up the images of the old wild west. consider this, some districts want to see armed teachers in every school, as well. chairman of the utah shooting sport council just helped train some 200 teachers in handling concealed weapons and joins me live now from salt lake city. clark, good to see you, sir. >> thank you very much. good to be her. >> the idea of arming teachers, the head of the american teachers federation calls the idea, quote, irresponsible and dangerous. how do you make sure that an amateur gun user like most teachers would be, that they're able to handle guns safely in any circumstance? >> make no mistake, we're not talking about these folks doing tactical things inside a school against the shooter. we're encouraging them to institute the normal lockdown procedure which falls short when the shooter comes and crosses that threshold of a classroom. it doesn't take a lot of tactical training to produce otherwise discreetly maintained firearm and access to engage that shooter. that's a grea
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sheriff paul babu of arizona, who's written, "the nra is correct. we need a cop in every school. we have a people problem, not a gun problem." sheriff paul babeu is "outfront" tonight. thank you for joining us. >> thank you, john. >> sheriff, i understand the attractiveness of this proposal, an armed guard, a school member training with a weapon. but let's look at the facts, going back to columbine and virginia tech, columbine, they had two armed guards on the campus at the time, virginia tech had 34 armed guards. yet 13 killed in columbine, 32 at virginia tech. so the evidence, sheriff, suggests that armed guards on campus do not stop school massacres. >> well, you see a school that i grew up in, there was just one building. and some of these campuses or college campuses, as you point out, there could be eight, there could be 20-some odd buildings. and to my point, training and arming designated school administrators or designated teachers, not everyone, some school districts may not want to do this, but for those who do, law enforcement provides them that training, and they would be a
more than anything else. the nra never gets credit but they teach more is gun safety courses than anybody in the country. my question to you is what would you do if you want to go further than what she wants what are you going to do if somebody god forbid breaks into your house at night? how do you protect your house and your family? >> we didn't preplan this. i'm so glad that you asked that question. >> sean: baseball bat. call police. >> let's look at statistics and i'm going to tell you, if your gun is responsible will kept separate from the ammunition. >> sean: i don't want statistics. >> by the time at 3:00 in the morning you are woken up from rem stage and stumble to get your gun and the ammunition you are already down with the criminal and the weapon in their hands. most gun owners guns are used on them not for their protection. >> sean: so you would do nothing? just be a sitting duck? that is wall i wanted to know? >> sean, i have two hands, two feet, a big mouth to scream with. >> you are going to need a gun. if somebody is coming at you with a gun. >> i don't need a gun.
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